Nov 09 14:30:52 <alefebvr>	hello! (should we wait a few more seconds?)
Nov 09 14:31:30 <cescoffier>	hello
Nov 09 14:32:45 <alefebvr>	hello Clément
Nov 09 14:33:02 <alefebvr>	Hi Ed !
Nov 09 14:33:39 <esdaniel>	hi, just saw the reminder, forgive me for being absent for earlier meets, hope everyone well and looking fwd to ow2con
Nov 09 14:34:04 <fbenoit>	we're waiting for Guillaume Porcher which is downloading right now Xchat
Nov 09 14:34:06 <alefebvr>	no problem!
Nov 09 14:34:08 <fbenoit>	:)
Nov 09 14:34:20 <alefebvr>	OK, let us wait for Guillaume Porcher then?
Nov 09 14:34:51 <alefebvr>	salut Guillaume !
Nov 09 14:34:58 <porcherg>	Bonjour !
Nov 09 14:35:04 <alefebvr>	(back to English ;-)
Nov 09 14:35:17 <gsauthier>	hi all
Nov 09 14:35:37 <alefebvr>	let us start then
Nov 09 14:35:45 <cescoffier>	Alice is arriving too
Nov 09 14:36:03 <alefebvr>	great !! (will you and/or Alice be joining the OW2con?)
Nov 09 14:36:44 <cescoffier>	unfortunately no. We're are both busy at that date
Nov 09 14:37:18 <esdaniel>	:-( - at least there'll be video for you afterwards i hope
Nov 09 14:37:44 <cescoffier>	cool ! That would be really good
Nov 09 14:38:55 <alefebvr>	(I'm checking the situation wrt videos for the conference -> will tell you in a few minutes)
Nov 09 14:39:15 <alefebvr>	OK. action item reviews from last minutes
Nov 09 14:39:26 <alefebvr>	Hi Alice !
Nov 09 14:39:30 <alefebvr>	we're just starting
Nov 09 14:39:30 <alicemurphy>	hello, sorry i'm late!
Nov 09 14:39:53 <alefebvr>	1st action was about GIT : Action ALE: ask project leaders to identify whether they would be interested in Git mirroring
Nov 09 14:40:06 <alefebvr>	and, related, Action CHA: once we have a list of all OW2 projects interested in GitHub mirroring, contact Github to ask them for mirroring for all OW2 projects
Nov 09 14:40:39 <alefebvr>	I think that we went into a confusing discussion (at least I was confused) about what mirrors what, between OW2 SVN, OW2 Gitorious and OW2@Github
Nov 09 14:41:31 <esdaniel>	i guess we need to help community understand how to submit patches, what is the best way i.e. via GIT mirrors with associated GIT requests or... will be good to help clarify that for potential contribs
Nov 09 14:41:33 *	gsauthier sent a message to Christophe (CHA) asking if he could join us
Nov 09 14:42:45 <cescoffier>	I agree, that this may become confusing: on github, the way is to use pull request
Nov 09 14:42:49 <esdaniel>	more often than not, those that wish to submit will probably already be close to project team in terms of communicating with them however to leave no stone unturned worth publishing your recommendations
Nov 09 14:43:13 <cescoffier>	but with read-only mirror, we can't really use pull request completely as we can't update the code their
Nov 09 14:43:26 <esdaniel>	precisely ;-)
Nov 09 14:43:39 <cescoffier>	fortunately, for each pull request, we can generate a path (Git format) and apply it on our source
Nov 09 14:43:43 <gsauthier>	cescoffier: Apache SVN is mirrored, do you know if they get pull request from github ?
Nov 09 14:44:03 <cescoffier>	no, that's one of a big issue. We can't have pull requests
Nov 09 14:44:06 <gsauthier>	Usually, They prefer a patch attached to a JIRA
Nov 09 14:44:16 <cescoffier>	at least, people can submit them, but they can't be applied
Nov 09 14:44:26 <gsauthier>	yep
Nov 09 14:44:37 <cescoffier>	so, the patch story at Apache is a legal constraint
Nov 09 14:46:07 <cescoffier>	from my experience, between reviewing and applying a pull request, and spending hours to review it and apply it
Nov 09 14:46:21 <alefebvr>	are we talking about OW2 Gitorious mirrored to OW2@Github, and/or OW2 SVN mirrored to OW2 Gitorious ?
Nov 09 14:46:36 <cescoffier>	SVN to Github
Nov 09 14:47:08 <alefebvr>	OK, and what about a chain 1) OW2 SVN to OW2 Gitorious, and 2) OW2 Gitorious -> OW2@Githiub ?
Nov 09 14:47:20 <alefebvr>	does that make any sense (or am I talking complete rubbish)
Nov 09 14:48:01 <cescoffier>	hum, would be the ow2 svn to ow2 gitorious a read/write mirror ?
Nov 09 14:48:11 <alefebvr>	no idea
Nov 09 14:48:21 <alefebvr>	I guess we can pretty much do what we want there
Nov 09 14:50:44 <cescoffier>	so, I was saying that it's more important to get SVN to Github
Nov 09 14:51:00 <alefebvr>	so, assume we can so RW mirroring OW2 SVN <-> OW2 Gitorious
Nov 09 14:51:16 <alefebvr>	how would that relate to OW2@Github?
Nov 09 14:51:18 <gsauthier>	So we offers visibility on github to both OW2 Git and SVN projects by mirroring our OW2 hosted code base on github
Nov 09 14:51:43 <cescoffier>	yep
Nov 09 14:52:09 <alefebvr>	yes, but I'm wondering whether we want to do a direct OW2 SVN -> Github, or whether OW2 SVN -> OW2 Gitorious will make the Github exposure easier (or notà
Nov 09 14:52:13 <gsauthier>	And we need to mirror existing repositories of OW2 members into our gitorious because OW2 wants a copy of the OW2 codebase on our machine
Nov 09 14:52:20 <cescoffier>	and people can start forking and working there before proposing the real contribution (kind of sandbox /playground)
Nov 09 14:52:42 <sandre>	hello
Nov 09 14:52:43 <alefebvr>	Hi Sébastien
Nov 09 14:53:03 <alefebvr>	we're discussing Git mirroring
Nov 09 14:53:10 <sandre>	ok
Nov 09 14:53:18 <sandre>	sorry I thought it was at 3pm
Nov 09 14:53:34 <alefebvr>	no problem, it has been rescheduled this morning by 1/2h
Nov 09 14:53:56 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: I don't know what will be easier ...
Nov 09 14:54:27 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: in fact, no, the easier will be to tell github guys: "our repos are here, you can start mirroring" :)
Nov 09 14:55:10 <alefebvr>	OK, but then, if Github provides a read only mirror, that might not be as convenient as our Gitorious providing a RW mirror ?
Nov 09 14:55:13 <cescoffier>	BTW, I'm not sure they can access our SVN using the svn:// protocol
Nov 09 14:55:33 <cescoffier>	need to be checked before
Nov 09 14:55:53 <alefebvr>	normally our SVN is open to svn:// protocol
Nov 09 14:55:53 <cescoffier>	I think this is unrelated
Nov 09 14:56:02 <gsauthier>	RW mirror ... I'm not sure that it will work
Nov 09 14:56:21 <cescoffier>	the github mirroring is important for visibility, and because people are used to the github processes (fork, pull request)
Nov 09 14:56:31 <alefebvr>	OK, this is the main point I guess.
Nov 09 14:56:37 <cescoffier>	the gitorious mirroring is for OW2 member willing to use git instead of SVN
Nov 09 14:56:59 <gsauthier>	cescoffier: Once upon a time I used github to extract a part of some OW2 SVN repository in order to init a git repo. I used the svn:// URL without issues
Nov 09 14:57:26 <alefebvr>	but ... if an OW2 project (SVN) is mirrored to Github, then there is no need to mirror it to Gitorious.
Nov 09 14:57:30 <cescoffier>	gsauthier: ok cool. Jonathan Bardin used that too, so should not be an issue then
Nov 09 14:57:43 <alefebvr>	In fact, gitorious.ow2.org is for those people who do not want to use SVN at all
Nov 09 14:57:46 <cescoffier>	alefebvr: no, there is no need
Nov 09 14:58:04 <gsauthier>	cescoffier: Do they really need that ? if they have SVN and want Git, they can just use git-svn, or simply migrate to full git
Nov 09 14:59:07 <cescoffier>	gsauthier: well I always had issues with git-svn.
Nov 09 14:59:33 <gsauthier>	looks like CHA will not show up in time for git discussion ...
Nov 09 15:00:03 <sandre>	I'm trying to reash him on jabber
Nov 09 15:00:24 <gsauthier>	sandre: I tried DM him on twitter few minutes ago
Nov 09 15:00:53 <gsauthier>	Well, I guess that SVN mirroring is basically git-svn so ....
Nov 09 15:01:06 <alefebvr>	in order to move on, the summary is:
Nov 09 15:01:15 <alefebvr>	- we want OW2 SVN to Github mirroring
Nov 09 15:01:28 <alefebvr>	and that's pretty much it?
Nov 09 15:01:32 <gsauthier>	If CHA joins us later, we'll continue the discussion with him. Can we continue to the next point ?
Nov 09 15:01:36 <alefebvr>	OK.
Nov 09 15:02:11 <alefebvr>	Next action item was for Jeremy who is not around today (Action JCA: look at https for sympa)
Nov 09 15:02:31 <alefebvr>	In the agenda next is infrastructure
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	* infrastructure
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	** status
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	** GIT mirroring
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	** Nexus migration
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	** Sonar installation status
Nov 09 15:02:40 <alefebvr>	** project wiki migration: re-start?
Nov 09 15:02:56 <alefebvr>	no particular status on my side
Nov 09 15:03:01 <gsauthier>	BTW, i'm happy that the OW2 ServiceDesk project for JIRA is quite active
Nov 09 15:03:05 <alefebvr>	yes
Nov 09 15:03:06 <alefebvr>	me to
Nov 09 15:03:16 <gsauthier>	We know what's going on :)
Nov 09 15:03:26 <alefebvr>	and what is not being fixed...
Nov 09 15:03:32 <gsauthier>	yep
Nov 09 15:03:43 <alefebvr>	all OK about Nexus migration so far?
Nov 09 15:03:54 <gsauthier>	this one is for me :)
Nov 09 15:04:38 <gsauthier>	I gave nexus rights to projects that asked for
Nov 09 15:05:10 <alefebvr>	OK
Nov 09 15:05:10 <gsauthier>	So far, in Bull, we did a couple of releases with the new profile and it's working quite well
Nov 09 15:05:46 <gsauthier>	We just noticed a higher memory consumption in Bamboo now that snapshot deployment is on nexus
Nov 09 15:05:59 <gsauthier>	Don't know much more on this ...
Nov 09 15:06:07 <gsauthier>	What remains ?
Nov 09 15:06:26 <gsauthier>	We have to close (=read only) the old repository
Nov 09 15:06:43 <gsauthier>	then copy it's content to nexus so that we don't loose anything
Nov 09 15:06:59 <alefebvr>	should we plan a date for this?
Nov 09 15:07:01 <cescoffier>	yep, closing the repository may be interesting :-)
Nov 09 15:07:24 <gsauthier>	we then have to do some redirection so that old URLs are still OK
Nov 09 15:07:31 <alefebvr>	yes
Nov 09 15:08:05 <alicemurphy>	perhaps do the redirection before closing the rep ;)
Nov 09 15:08:08 <gsauthier>	concerning the plan, we should have close the old repo at the end of october
Nov 09 15:08:25 <alefebvr>	haha
Nov 09 15:08:26 <gsauthier>	alicemurphy: sure :)
Nov 09 15:08:27 <esdaniel>	good point alice
Nov 09 15:08:35 <cescoffier>	well, will should do it soon then
Nov 09 15:09:07 <gsauthier>	ATM, and for the next 2 weeks I'm quite busy, so I won't be able to work with Jeremy to do that
Nov 09 15:09:17 <gsauthier>	if someone want to take this task ...
Nov 09 15:10:33 <alefebvr>	I'll be busy too, but I can follow up with Jeremy if you want
Nov 09 15:10:47 <alefebvr>	given that I am quite incompetent wrt Nexus
Nov 09 15:11:09 <fbenoit>	I can follow with Jeremy
Nov 09 15:11:25 <gsauthier>	cool
Nov 09 15:11:36 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: Jeremy comes back next week ?
Nov 09 15:11:51 <fbenoit>	I will check with him that the current repository is in ReadOnly mode
Nov 09 15:11:54 <alefebvr>	yes, on Wed 16 Nov normally
Nov 09 15:12:05 <alefebvr>	thanks Florent
Nov 09 15:12:41 <gsauthier>	I can prepare a mail for TC + project leaders describing the processing and giving the deadline
Nov 09 15:13:11 <gsauthier>	end of next week ?
Nov 09 15:13:13 <fbenoit>	also, maybe we should add some warning or information on http://forge.ow2.org/projects/maven as it will no longer be used to manage artifacts on maven
Nov 09 15:14:43 <alefebvr>	OK for end of next week (last reminder was sent on 18 October reminding that the deadline was end of October)
Nov 09 15:15:05 <alefebvr>	are we done with Nexus ?
Nov 09 15:15:18 <gsauthier>	yep
Nov 09 15:15:36 <gsauthier>	if you have complaints -> JIRA :)
Nov 09 15:16:03 <gsauthier>	*** Sonar installation status ***
Nov 09 15:16:21 <alefebvr>	OK, so Jeremy has installed Sonar
Nov 09 15:16:25 <alefebvr>	on sonar.ow2.org
Nov 09 15:16:35 <alefebvr>	with accounts on OW2 Forge LDAP
Nov 09 15:16:36 <alefebvr>	but
Nov 09 15:16:44 <alefebvr>	sonar has not been configured at all
Nov 09 15:16:57 <alefebvr>	I have uploaded the profile developed by Patrice
Nov 09 15:17:10 <alefebvr>	but nobody can connect to sonar.ow2.org to run it :-(
Nov 09 15:17:28 <alefebvr>	I'm currently in contact with someone from Jeremy's team for the configuration
Nov 09 15:17:39 <alefebvr>	Olivier Genty
Nov 09 15:17:50 <fbenoit>	I confirm that I tried and it didn't work
Nov 09 15:18:10 <alefebvr>	there seems to be an issue about whether or not opening remote JDBC access to the MySQL database
Nov 09 15:18:25 <alefebvr>	which we may not want to do for security reasons
Nov 09 15:18:36 <gsauthier>	:)
Nov 09 15:19:38 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: You'll keep us informed when the Sonar will be usable ?
Nov 09 15:19:39 <alefebvr>	and Olivier says that, in the case of NovaForge, there is a local Sonar for the client side, which connects to the central Sonar
Nov 09 15:19:58 <alefebvr>	gasuthier: yes, I'll keep everybody informed as progress goes on
Nov 09 15:20:17 <gsauthier>	thx
Nov 09 15:20:43 <gsauthier>	next ? Time goes ... :)
Nov 09 15:20:47 <alefebvr>	** project wiki migration: re-start?
Nov 09 15:21:19 <gsauthier>	Last time I discussed with Jeremy about this, it was almost ready
Nov 09 15:21:37 <cescoffier>	good !
Nov 09 15:21:42 <alefebvr>	so, the idea (see minutes) is that projects should 1) create skin, 2) JCA migrate pages and 3) restore the new skin
Nov 09 15:21:45 <gsauthier>	He had to upgrade the new XWiki farm to latest XWiki version (2.7 -> 3.x)
Nov 09 15:21:55 <cescoffier>	would be a pretty nice XMas gift
Nov 09 15:22:00 <gsauthier>	:)
Nov 09 15:22:22 <gsauthier>	Once he have upgraded version, you can ask for your new wiki
Nov 09 15:22:23 <esdaniel>	hmm, longer term vision on migration cost should be also considered
Nov 09 15:22:31 <alefebvr>	you mean?
Nov 09 15:22:53 <esdaniel>	we all know this is a real PITA... cost/benefit of using Xwiki's cloud service really needs to be assessed
Nov 09 15:23:38 <alefebvr>	OK, that's one point Ed
Nov 09 15:23:39 <esdaniel>	sorry, i know that's a 'spanner in the works' - for later discussion but wanted to share
Nov 09 15:23:41 <gsauthier>	Probably something to be discussed on the board ?
Nov 09 15:23:45 <esdaniel>	yes
Nov 09 15:24:04 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: when is the next board ?
Nov 09 15:24:10 <esdaniel>	probably ow2con
Nov 09 15:24:11 <alefebvr>	however, it is more or less independent from migrating from 2.7 to 3.x (and getting the stability and features that go with it, BUT having to modify pages)
Nov 09 15:24:20 <alefebvr>	Next board on 22 November morning, just before OW2con
Nov 09 15:25:08 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: can you give this interesting remark to the board ?
Nov 09 15:25:28 <alefebvr>	OK
Nov 09 15:25:46 <alefebvr>	we'll add it to the TC and infrastructure slides
Nov 09 15:25:46 <gsauthier>	thx
Nov 09 15:26:21 <alefebvr>	and, Guillaume, as the TC Chairman, you are invited to the next board (we'll make sure you get the invitation, I think we missed it out last time :-(
Nov 09 15:26:56 <gsauthier>	yes, but this time I cannot make it :'(
Nov 09 15:27:29 <alefebvr>	never mind, you can pass on messages that I will transmit
Nov 09 15:28:18 <gsauthier>	ok
Nov 09 15:28:21 <alefebvr>	next is: * OW2 projects
Nov 09 15:28:21 <alefebvr>	** new Proposals page for submissions
Nov 09 15:28:38 <alefebvr>	for you Guillaume !
Nov 09 15:29:08 <gsauthier>	All is here: http://www.ow2.org/view/Proposal/
Nov 09 15:29:35 <alefebvr>	the idea is to replace the page http://forge.ow2.org/register/projectinfo.php
Nov 09 15:29:52 <alefebvr>	the advantage is that the xwiki solution offers persistence
Nov 09 15:29:53 <gsauthier>	I'm fed of the unreadable 'project proposal' mail we receive for each new project :)
Nov 09 15:30:15 <gsauthier>	and the project is not created on the forge *before* acceptance
Nov 09 15:30:54 <alefebvr>	the only difference in the process, in by view, is that projects submissions in  http://www.ow2.org/view/Proposal/ will be visible to the outside before the TC decision
Nov 09 15:31:35 <gsauthier>	If the project want s to come with us, they want to be opensource, so I hope that it will not be an issue :)
Nov 09 15:31:47 <alefebvr>	other advantage, the person who submits may update the proposal by adding some additional information, upon request from the TC
Nov 09 15:31:55 <alefebvr>	gsauthier: :-)
Nov 09 15:32:35 <gsauthier>	Yes, much more flexible, prettier (I think), more readable, ...
Nov 09 15:33:03 <alefebvr>	we may need someone who has not got xwiki admin rights to try out the creation of a dummy proposal
Nov 09 15:33:21 <alefebvr>	(since you need to be logged into xwiki)
Nov 09 15:33:32 <gsauthier>	Who is a registered individual memeber here ?
Nov 09 15:33:33 <alefebvr>	should not take long! -> any volunteer ?
Nov 09 15:34:13 <esdaniel>	sure, can do
Nov 09 15:34:33 <alefebvr>	hey, thanks Ed !
Nov 09 15:34:41 <esdaniel>	email me instructions and i'll process, please
Nov 09 15:34:46 <alefebvr>	OK, we will
Nov 09 15:34:51 <alefebvr>	Next: ** status of submitted projects
Nov 09 15:36:04 <alefebvr>	Sequencer: we are in a strange situation with the submitter, who didn't want to show anything, and who since has put the code on github)
Nov 09 15:36:35 <alefebvr>	no news from the other project, Andino SAO Framework
Nov 09 15:36:47 <alefebvr>	I have re-pinged the submitter, will do it once more
Nov 09 15:37:06 <alefebvr>	new one AuthzForce is under discussion
Nov 09 15:38:05 <alefebvr>	and Kerneos (discussion time finished -> proceeding to the vote tonight)
Nov 09 15:38:39 <alefebvr>	any other comments about submitted projects?
Nov 09 15:38:59 <alefebvr>	(looks like it is afternoon nap time)
Nov 09 15:39:45 <gsauthier>	One the 2 last accepted project, some didn't had committed code yet
Nov 09 15:39:51 <KPTN>	alefebvr: I'm enthusiast for AuthzForce, but it's sad we cannot see the code before
Nov 09 15:40:25 <alefebvr>	for AuthzForce, I'll try to pull Pascal Jakobi's leg so that he shows us the code
Nov 09 15:40:30 <alefebvr>	;-)
Nov 09 15:41:26 <alefebvr>	or you can try, Clément ;-)
Nov 09 15:41:34 <gsauthier>	Concerning OW2 utilities, it's a bit longer than expected since we have to deal with licence change ...
Nov 09 15:41:54 <alefebvr>	gsauthier: which 2 last accepted projects do you mean?
Nov 09 15:41:56 <gsauthier>	Legal peoples involved ...
Nov 09 15:41:57 <fbenoit>	<alefebvr> should not take long! -> any volunteer ? <-- done !
Nov 09 15:42:16 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: I search the names
Nov 09 15:42:40 <alefebvr>	fbenoit: so, OK, it works then!
Nov 09 15:43:08 <alefebvr>	fbenoit: thanks (and esdaniel: we'll find something else for you to volunteer on ;-)
Nov 09 15:43:28 <esdaniel>	:-)
Nov 09 15:43:29 <alefebvr>	while we are with new projects, mentoring
Nov 09 15:43:39 <alefebvr>	I'm a bit lost about which project does and does not have a mentor
Nov 09 15:43:54 <gsauthier>	snmp4cloud : no files to download / no code in SVN
Nov 09 15:43:59 <alefebvr>	which reminds me that we probably need to add this information on the project dashboard for example
Nov 09 15:44:09 <gsauthier>	kalimucho: 1 file downloadable / no code in SVN
Nov 09 15:44:16 <alefebvr>	snmp4cloud -> I'll talk to them tomorrow (CompatibleOne meeting)
Nov 09 15:44:26 <alefebvr>	kalimucho -> I'll send him e-mail
Nov 09 15:44:37 <alefebvr>	kalimucho will be presented at OW2con
Nov 09 15:44:37 <gsauthier>	thx
Nov 09 15:45:59 <gsauthier>	At least on the proposal page ...
Nov 09 15:46:14 <gsauthier>	(for the mentors of a new project)
Nov 09 15:46:50 <KPTN>	what is really to role of the mentor?
Nov 09 15:47:12 <gsauthier>	help a new project to bootstrap in OW2
Nov 09 15:47:18 <esdaniel>	good analogy is same as what student freshers get support for from existing students
Nov 09 15:47:27 <esdaniel>	orienteering etc
Nov 09 15:47:41 <esdaniel>	thereafter perhaps mediation, collaboration and conflict resolution
Nov 09 15:48:35 <gsauthier>	I feel also that having a mentor when  you enter OW2 help the project to not feel alone :)
Nov 09 15:49:13 <gsauthier>	a good mentor should also gives good habits to the new project
Nov 09 15:49:18 <esdaniel>	yes - community support for the project for on-boarding and interaction with ow2
Nov 09 15:49:24 <alefebvr>	so, normally, once a project is accepted, we the TC choose a mentor for the project
Nov 09 15:49:41 <alefebvr>	we have done so recently
Nov 09 15:49:48 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: We should have mentors before
Nov 09 15:49:50 <alefebvr>	but not for all projects
Nov 09 15:50:14 <cescoffier>	I think chameleon was the first one
Nov 09 15:50:15 <alefebvr>	gsauthier: you are right, we should choose a mentor before the vote somehow
Nov 09 15:50:33 <gsauthier>	yep, and the baby has grown up quite well :)
Nov 09 15:50:59 <cescoffier>	yep...
Nov 09 15:51:14 <alefebvr>	last item on projects: ** status of WebLab and TOS (what about Mature migration)
Nov 09 15:51:18 <cescoffier>	at least it really helped for all infra question, code base structure and so on
Nov 09 15:51:42 <alefebvr>	in fact, WebLab and TOS had said they wanted to candidate for mentor, but we haven't heard from them since
Nov 09 15:51:51 <alefebvr>	I guess it is an action for me to "ping" them
Nov 09 15:52:10 <alefebvr>	cescoffier: glad to hear it has helped
Nov 09 15:52:26 <gsauthier>	candidate for mentor ?
Nov 09 15:52:35 <gsauthier>	maturation ?
Nov 09 15:52:42 <alefebvr>	for maturation
Nov 09 15:52:51 <alefebvr>	sorry
Nov 09 15:52:55 <gsauthier>	:)
Nov 09 15:53:21 <alefebvr>	before we move on to SQuAT and next dates, any other remarks/issues about the infrastructure and projects?
Nov 09 15:53:59 <alefebvr>	in particular, about deciding for a mentor, should that be included in the items for discussion of new proposal? 
Nov 09 15:54:04 <alefebvr>	what do you think?
Nov 09 15:54:37 <gsauthier>	I think it should be a req when entering OW2
Nov 09 15:55:46 <gsauthier>	When projects are driven by peoples already knowing how it works (tc peoples ?) we can avoid that, but in general, I would like to have mentors for each new project
Nov 09 15:55:53 <cescoffier>	yep, having a mentor should be mandatory
Nov 09 15:56:02 <gsauthier>	That also means that we need volunteers for that job
Nov 09 15:56:23 <gsauthier>	and no-one never answer when alex ask for a mentor ..
Nov 09 15:56:43 <alefebvr>	yep, because a project coming from "the outside" (such as kalimucho) cannot say who their mentor could be
Nov 09 15:57:10 <alefebvr>	so, in my view, it is our (TC) responsibility
Nov 09 15:57:32 <gsauthier>	i'm sure that if the project leader search a little bit he could find OW2 peoples to contact :)
Nov 09 15:57:39 <alefebvr>	and it is part of the duties of being in the TC...
Nov 09 15:57:45 <gsauthier>	We're not completely hidden :)
Nov 09 15:57:55 <alefebvr>	hmmm
Nov 09 15:58:16 <gsauthier>	just kidding, it's probably better to have someone from TC volunteers
Nov 09 15:58:40 <fbenoit>	alefebvr: about infrastructure : upgrade of JIRA and Bamboo versions :)
Nov 09 15:58:40 <alefebvr>	OKOK
Nov 09 15:58:57 <alefebvr>	fbenoit: question to Jeremy -> to add to the actions
Nov 09 15:59:15 <fbenoit>	alefebvr: BTW I've created JIRA issues
Nov 09 15:59:35 <esdaniel>	probably worth listing all mentors on a page somewhere, so as to track who is and isn't doing this
Nov 09 15:59:47 <gsauthier>	esdaniel: good point
Nov 09 16:00:05 <esdaniel>	also, would be nice to 'reward' mentors as well for their support, food for thought
Nov 09 16:00:10 <esdaniel>	might help get more mentors ;-)
Nov 09 16:00:21 <alefebvr>	I think all this information (mentors, project log - creation date, maturation date) should be on a TC page 
Nov 09 16:00:28 <gsauthier>	I can start this page
Nov 09 16:00:46 <alefebvr>	OK, thanks
Nov 09 16:01:21 <alefebvr>	(we may want to see later whether it is or not a good idea to build the page automatically from the project dashboard)
Nov 09 16:02:08 <alefebvr>	(extending the project dashboard with such info)
Nov 09 16:02:27 <gsauthier>	let's start with a simple hand writen page
Nov 09 16:02:45 <gsauthier>	We don't have so many mentors actuelly :)
Nov 09 16:02:50 <alefebvr>	OK
Nov 09 16:03:35 <gsauthier>	SQuAT now ?
Nov 09 16:03:47 <alefebvr>	OK, quick update on SQuAT
Nov 09 16:04:02 <alefebvr>	- no news from the FOSSology.org server (which was attacked and which they are re-building)
Nov 09 16:04:13 <alefebvr>	- I have put all Antepedia reports on the dashboards 
Nov 09 16:04:21 <alefebvr>	(no reaction to my mail)
Nov 09 16:04:42 <gsauthier>	I opened one for JOnAS, but did understoof how to use it ...
Nov 09 16:04:50 <gsauthier>	did not understood
Nov 09 16:04:54 <alefebvr>	OK
Nov 09 16:05:09 <alefebvr>	gsauthier: I guess it requires some user guide then ;-)
Nov 09 16:05:14 <gsauthier>	a link to an explanation page (on antelink ?)
Nov 09 16:05:21 <cescoffier>	I'm more or less in the same state as gsauthier
Nov 09 16:05:28 <alefebvr>	oops, sorry guys
Nov 09 16:05:31 <cescoffier>	moreover, it contains test and generated files
Nov 09 16:05:38 <cescoffier>	which actually does not contains IP
Nov 09 16:06:27 <alefebvr>	OK, so action for me: write a quick explanation page how to read the csv file with a spreadsheet software (LibreOffice, Excel, whatever) =
Nov 09 16:06:31 <alefebvr>	1. how to import it
Nov 09 16:06:34 <alefebvr>	2. how to read the data
Nov 09 16:07:01 <alefebvr>	Also, if we have any questions about the results, we should forward them to Antelink people
Nov 09 16:07:03 <gsauthier>	#1 was not too hard (tip: separator is the comma)
Nov 09 16:07:23 <alefebvr>	there will be an Antelink presentation at OWCon with someone from Antelink
Nov 09 16:07:29 <gsauthier>	cool
Nov 09 16:08:03 <esdaniel>	btw a link to share to follow, not sure if I already did... http://blog.bettersoftwaretesting.com
Nov 09 16:08:27 <alefebvr>	back to the question at the beginning of the meeting: yes there should be some video captures at OW2con, but since there are parallel sessions, we are still figuring out what to film/whether it is possible to film everything...
Nov 09 16:09:16 <esdaniel>	i would normally suggest poll the members, especially the individual members that may not be able to attend
Nov 09 16:09:25 <alefebvr>	esdaniel: thanks for the reminder - you sent it but only to me
Nov 09 16:09:45 <esdaniel>	ah yes, trying not to spam tc list
Nov 09 16:10:01 <cescoffier>	alefebvr: cool for the vieo, we will watch it !
Nov 09 16:10:25 <alicemurphy>	yep!
Nov 09 16:10:48 <alefebvr>	also, on SQuAT:
Nov 09 16:11:05 <alefebvr>	- Trustie is currently installing TSR (Trustie Software Repository)
Nov 09 16:11:21 <alefebvr>	this does reputation management (a bit like Tripadvisor if you like, for projects)
Nov 09 16:11:24 <esdaniel>	will it have the uml model versioning?
Nov 09 16:11:55 <alefebvr>	TSR installation is on-going (uses JOnAS and MySQL). Should be operational Q1 2012
Nov 09 16:12:01 <esdaniel>	k
Nov 09 16:12:03 <alefebvr>	esdaniel: what do you mean ?
Nov 09 16:12:16 <alefebvr>	esdaniel: by UML versioning?
Nov 09 16:13:02 <alefebvr>	also, esdaniel: when you suggest "poll the members", do you have a particular topic?
Nov 09 16:13:03 <esdaniel>	last year we had some discussions at ow2con with our chinese members and if i recall correctly they'd begun versioning via models, was wondeirng it that was in production, might have been Beihang and not Trustie tough
Nov 09 16:13:06 <alefebvr>	in mind?
Nov 09 16:13:21 <esdaniel>	poll members regarding what they'd like to be streamed/recorded
Nov 09 16:13:26 <alefebvr>	OK, I'll check with them about versioning with models
Nov 09 16:13:31 <alefebvr>	I see
Nov 09 16:13:41 <alefebvr>	on SQuAT:
Nov 09 16:13:54 <alefebvr>	- we have already talked about Sonar (depends on the installation)
Nov 09 16:14:25 <alefebvr>	- Qualipso OMM: the Qualipso OMM people have been invited to OW2con (we'll have confirmation on Friday)
Nov 09 16:14:47 <alefebvr>	After the EasyBeans pilot, we are ready to deploy the self-evaluation of all mature projects.
Nov 09 16:15:02 <alefebvr>	OMM is a CMMI-like methodology for open source projects (with adaptation specific to open source)
Nov 09 16:15:33 <alefebvr>	In parallel, we are working on the scoring (which we still find not quite easy to understand) with them.
Nov 09 16:16:02 <alefebvr>	The idea is that all projects should 1) perform self-evaluation and 2) review by Qualipso Competence Center of the results.
Nov 09 16:16:24 <gsauthier>	all mature project
Nov 09 16:16:27 <alefebvr>	yes
Nov 09 16:16:33 <alefebvr>	;-)
Nov 09 16:17:01 <alefebvr>	Any questions about SQuAT ?
Nov 09 16:18:14 <alefebvr>	So, last items on the agenda were coming events including next TC
Nov 09 16:18:29 <alefebvr>	We are planning a physical TC during OW2con, on 24 November
Nov 09 16:18:43 <alefebvr>	at 3pm
Nov 09 16:18:51 <alefebvr>	http://www.ow2.org/view/OW2Con-2011/Sessions
Nov 09 16:19:14 <alefebvr>	-> don't forget to register to OW2con if you are coming!!
Nov 09 16:19:40 <alefebvr>	Also, since we know we'll have internet connection, do you think it is a good idea to open the TC meeting for IRC at the same time?
Nov 09 16:20:31 <sandre>	it would be nice for me
Nov 09 16:20:57 <gsauthier>	Hmmm, quite a pain to rewrite all that is said on the room to the IRC
Nov 09 16:21:04 <alefebvr>	I can type fast
Nov 09 16:21:14 <gsauthier>	like writing the minutes, but live :)
Nov 09 16:21:23 <alefebvr>	yes
Nov 09 16:21:26 <gsauthier>	at least we can try :)
Nov 09 16:21:56 <alefebvr>	OK. We can also project on the screen in the room what others are typing by IRC
Nov 09 16:22:25 <alefebvr>	(I'm just trying to avoid audioconference, because they have proved to be nightmare in the past)
Nov 09 16:22:42 <esdaniel>	i'd go with the conf call model i.e. everyone locally at ow2con uses the irc to communicate
Nov 09 16:23:21 <esdaniel>	perfect audit of the session, and if there's a breakout for a quick chat then no problem, after the chat update IRC with result
Nov 09 16:23:49 <alefebvr>	esdaniel: that's an idea (at least to summarize important points, maybe not to transcript all that is said ;-)
Nov 09 16:24:23 <gsauthier>	fbenoit: told me that at UDS, they have audio + IRC, so that there no message rewriting
Nov 09 16:24:40 <alefebvr>	recorded audio?
Nov 09 16:24:49 <gsauthier>	not sure
Nov 09 16:24:51 <esdaniel>	recorded audio is painful
Nov 09 16:25:02 <esdaniel>	i know ;-) takes ages to go though and transcribe key points
Nov 09 16:25:24 <esdaniel>	good for one-to-many presentations
Nov 09 16:25:33 <alefebvr>	OK OK, since some of us have to go soon, any other points to discuss?
Nov 09 16:25:38 <fbenoit>	http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
Nov 09 16:26:02 <gsauthier>	OK for me
Nov 09 16:26:44 <fbenoit>	http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-UDS-Remote-Participation
Nov 09 16:27:05 <alefebvr>	fbenoit: I'll pass it on to OW2 Management Office for ideas...
Nov 09 16:27:28 <alefebvr>	thanks for the points
Nov 09 16:27:31 <alefebvr>	poiners
Nov 09 16:27:34 <alefebvr>	pointers
Nov 09 16:28:13 <alefebvr>	no other points anybody ?
Nov 09 16:28:13 <gsauthier>	Is it time for us to release you for coffee ?
Nov 09 16:28:23 <sandre>	ok for me
Nov 09 16:29:07 <gsauthier>	Shameless plug: BTW, if you don't know what to do 23/24th of November, consider joining us in Grenoble for the OUGF Conference :) #osgi http://france.osgiusers.org/Meeting/201111
Nov 09 16:29:14 <gsauthier>	;)
Nov 09 16:29:20 <esdaniel>	:-)
Nov 09 16:29:49 <alefebvr>	24 and 25 November in fact
Nov 09 16:30:01 <gsauthier>	oops
Nov 09 16:30:08 <alefebvr>	so, gsauthier: are you cloning yourself for OW2con and OUGF ?
Nov 09 16:30:49 <fbenoit>	alefebvr: time traveling :)
Nov 09 16:30:55 <gsauthier>	no I gave preference to OW2 ... but we still have nice presentations on thursday that I cannot attend :'(
Nov 09 16:31:19 <alefebvr>	are they doing videos? ;-)
Nov 09 16:31:43 <gsauthier>	Would be nice to clone myself, merging will still be a problem :)
Nov 09 16:32:18 <alefebvr>	mirroring?
Nov 09 16:32:41 <alefebvr>	let's go then, and thanks for being here!
Nov 09 16:32:54 <gsauthier>	alefebvr: I think it will depend if I take my cam or not :)
Nov 09 16:33:14 <gsauthier>	Thanks everybody, and see you soon in Paris !
Nov 09 16:33:18 <alefebvr>	in the mean time, do not hesitate to remind us for problems not solved, and also actions that do not seem to progress
Nov 09 16:33:22 <esdaniel>	bye for now
Nov 09 16:33:57 <cescoffier>	bye
Nov 09 16:33:59 <alicemurphy>	Thanks, bye!
Nov 09 16:34:03 <sandre>	bye
Nov 09 16:34:06 <alefebvr>	bye!
Nov 09 16:34:15 <gsauthier>	ciao